To Frog or not to Frog?

[Iamscotticus]

That is the question.
I admit it, I am a Frog Lube convert. Yes, I resisted a long time. I didn't believe the hype. So what if "special forces" use it, they don't buy or own their weapns. What can FL do that CLP cant, right? Im not a total FL fanboy either. I know too much of the stuff in the wrong place in the wrong environments can cause serious issues. So why did I go over to the Frog Side?
There is a well executed test of many popular gun care products here:
http://www.guncleaningtips.com/the-best ... ion-tests/
All things considered, when I filter the top performers with a criteria of being widely available, the top chices narrow down to Frog Lube and WD40 Specialist. WD40 is eliminated from being a lubricant because its not one. Also there is an additional benefit that FL is non-toxc which is very appealing to me.
That leaves FL as an option for anyone in warmer climates, if properly applied, which should be very sparingly.

So what say you T91 community? Will anyone be frogging their rifles?

[Arkane]

I threw my froglube out when it got tacky at near freezing temps and cuased a FTF. Went back to Safariland Breakfree CLP and haven't looked at anything else since.

[Kilo 1-1]

I've used Frog Lube extensively in the past, but noticed a fairly serious problem: oxidization. If it oxidizes, it can gum up your gun, regardless of amount added. On standard DI Ar15s, this is not a huge problem as it gets hot enough to power through it, but for handguns and shotguns, it could be problematic. I had this happen to my Remington 870 where it locked up the action due to oxidation (did not over apply this either). Never it happened with other oils prior to treating it with Frog Lube. After using it for about 3 years, I've moved on to something better. If you like bio-synthetic stuff, take a hard look at ALG Defense's Go-Juice. Bill Geissele did his homework with this lubricant. I'm usually not someone who advocates for oil, but this stuff works pretty well after I've been using it for the last 2 years on ARs, handguns, and shotguns. The way it's formulated makes it less toxic than other standard oils as well. I use it as a CLP and it's great for cleaning. Also worth noting that ALG Go Juice costs less than Frog Lube.

Bill explaining it at last year's shot show. (Skipped to 24:14 where he starts talking about the oil)


For those worried about it in freezing weather:

[e292644]

Oh @Iamscotticus, you just open a can of worms.
IMHO, anything you feel comfortable within your budget, serve your needs and expectations will work.

[Iamscotticus]

This forum is too sleepy so I intended to stir up some response. And im glad I did.
Im finding the response very interesting.
Id like to know more about the FL oxidizing, what that means and how long it takes.
I want zero failure.

[Arkane]

This forum is too sleepy so I intended to stir up some response. And im glad I did.
Im finding the input very interesting.
Id like to know more about the FL oxidizing.
What that means and how long it takes.
I want zero failure.

You can achieve that with a properly maintained rifle and good cleaning/lubrication regimen. FWIW I've run Mobil 1 in rifles overseas and with a daily cleaning they've run just fine, no magical lubricant required.

[Iamscotticus]

Motor oil was always a favorite option since its available from every dip stick. What viscosity do you use?

[Arkane]

Motor oil was always a favorite option since its available from every dip stick. What viscosity do you use?

Whatever synthetic I could get my hands on. Usually it was mobil1 10w30, pretty popular overseas.

[e292644]

Been using motor oil on slide and BCG since 80', nothing wrong with it if clean it regularly like Arkane mentioned.

[TUCODRAT]

I always use aviation grade greases specially those design for wheel bearings lubrication, the Mobil red or Aeroshell, this lubricants don't freeze or melt under high heat or friction applications and don't promote corrosion even on dissimilar metals application and been clay based products stay where you put it.

[Hessian]

Frog lube is not a lubricant I'd recommend running on a rifle used primarily for professional or serious use. There are many reasons why and a simple search will reveal those attributes. I've used it in the past, it gums when it sits for a period of time or in colder temps, it also attracts insects in the field (ants, don't ask). I've also recently attended a Colt AR/M4/M16 Armorer course and the Colt senior instructors there recommended not using it. Many good lubes out there, Slip2000, TW25b and MPro7, there are others up there as well.

[e292644]

Great info, thanks!

[Iamscotticus]

Ok guys, I don't like the idea of FL congealing in the trigger group. All this about the FL getting onto the FCG and causing soft strikes. Not good.